This week’s guest, the Booby Physio (aka former Ireland rugby player Siobhan O’Donovan) shares some life changing advice (well, it has been for me!) on all kinds of ways in which we can better support our whole selves. You can find her at posturefittingphysio.com and on social media at posture.fitting
Let me know how you’re going to start better supporting yourself today (and while a lot of the conversation is about boobs, much of it is beneficial for all genders).
Le grá (with love),
Evei
Full transcript
It wasn't as much of an impact for me because I wasn't in a space where I was aware of it, but psychologically, huge, absolutely huge. So then I kind of went, this is mad. If this is having this effect on me, what can I do to bring this to my patients? And then after several years, I then set up my own physiotherapy service offering to patients the option for me to help them to be to internally support their breast weight through their posture or alignment and externally through optimal bra fitting.
Hi, you're listening to the Feel Better Every Day Podcast. I'm Eve Menezes Cunningham and I'm here to help you create a life you don't need to retreat from by taking better care of yourself and your Self with an uppercase S, that highest, wisest, truest, most joyful, brilliant, and miraculous part of yourself.
I love sharing these trauma-informed and VAST/ADHD friendly self-care ideas, and I hope you enjoy listening as much as I've enjoyed making them.
Welcome, Siobhan O'Donovan! Thank you so, so much for joining me.
You're very welcome. I'm very, very delighted to be here.
I am so excited. I went to the Dive Ireland show a few weeks ago and Siobhan, known as the Booby Physio, was giving a talk on boobs and buoyancy and it was the only talk I went to.
Thank you.
It was basically about, like, I'm a member of Roscommon Sub Aqua Club, but when I come to the diving it's something I was aware of, like buoyancy, all the rest of it, different bodies. And what you were talking, it wasn't just about the diving, it's about daily life. And I just think what you're doing is phenomenal and I want as many people to hear about it as possible. I got home, I got rid of most of my bras because they were stabbing me and all the rest of it.
And I'm on the way to replacing, I've replaced two of them so far, I'll be, like, gradually, but it's incredible work you do. So thank you, thank you, thank you. And what would you like to say about what you're working on at the moment, what you do?
So I suppose if I give you a little bit of background as to how I've kind of ended up being surrounded by breasts.
I started my life as a PE teacher because I wanted to work within an active profession, and this was a long time ago when I was doing my first degree. And there weren't many options, there weren't many options in the activity field and there were fewer options again for women. So lots of things that I now look back on and I can see gender gap situations and things like that now that I'm a little bit more aware of that situation.
But from the point of view of a profession, I really never gave any thought to anything other than possibly becoming a sports journalist and then realise, no, that's not, that's not a thing. There is no, you know, because it was journalism and you then maybe reported on sports as opposed to now where it's a bit more specific. But it was either that or and then I was like, well, that's going to be sitting, you know, on a typewriter.
And I wanted a more active thing. So PE teaching was the basically the only option, but also something that I was really happy to be doing. I was, I was happy to go on to be a PE teacher for the rest of my life, or so I thought, until I did my actual four-year degree.
Within that four-year degree, we had a couple of modules on exercise physiology. So getting a little bit deeper into how the body works, deeper than we would have done in, you know, Leaving Cert biology. And then also there was a module on sports injuries.
And I kind of sat there through that and I thought, we really as PE teachers need to know this stuff because we are encouraging kids to be active. And if we give them, for example, an exercise or a movement that is potentially inappropriate, then we're effectively possibly teaching them something that could ultimately be damaging for them.
Now, having been in the field that I'm in for a lot of years, what we now know is that movement is absolutely a non-negotiable and it is far more important for somebody to be moving than for us to be focusing too much on, you need to be moving with your neck in this position or whatever.
But I've also come a little bit full circle on that in that we need to be mindful of the way that we hold ourselves because that does affect how we function. Yeah. That's a bit that I'll come back to when we talk a little bit more about posture.
I realised that there was the potential for me as a PE teacher to not be informed enough to be providing good quality movement advice. And so after I had finished my degree, I was teaching, I taught in London. And while I was there, I looked into how do I do more about this sports injuries bit? That's where I was focusing on.
Basically, cut a long story short, physio degree, three years plus a two year postgrad in sports, which would have involved me doing a lot of stuff that I didn't have an interest in. And also five years on top of four years financially, that was never going to happen. And then I heard about a Masters in the States. And basically, that's what I did. I went over to the States, did a year of prerequisite courses to get on to the Masters, then did the Masters.
And this was back in the early ‘90s when, you know, flying over to the States meant, ‘I'm gone for the year. You're not going to see me for a year.’ And I'd be lucky if I get back in the year. Very different to what it is now.
So that was that was quite a big move. And I suppose I like one of the things that I'm very proud of the fact that I did, because if I hadn't done, I probably would have been a very happy PE teacher for the rest of my life. But I kind of feel like what I'm doing now is impacting people in ways that are different to what would have happened if I'd stayed in PE.
While I was over there, the focus very much on what I was doing was on prevention of injuries. So it wasn't just wait for the fire to happen and try and put the fire out.
It was let's not have the fire start in the first place. Let's look at people's bodies. Let's look at how they move. Let's look at their lives and how they function. And let's prevent problems.
Then when I came back on this side of the water, I was pretty unique in that most people who would have gone on and done a physio degree, it would have been here are the problems. This is how we treat them.
And originally now it has changed. But originally, the focus would have been more on treatment. And I think what has happened over the years is people have come to realise that in order to do effective treatment, we also need to prevent the problem from coming back.
Therefore, that whole preventive aspect has come into play over here. It was more strong in the States because the degree that I did was based in schools and colleges. It was based on students having exposure to athletic injury every day because they were training every day like this.
The school sports system over there is incredibly intense. Yeah, I'll do it voluntarily, but they're training literally every day and possibly two games a week. So if you've that much exposure to potential for injury, then there is more injury happening.
The degree that I did was for a specific qualification that's school based. But when I then came back, I had quite a unique set. Well, I had a pretty completely unique set of qualifications and skills.
One of the things that I did was I got on board with developing those degrees in the UK and we now have them in Ireland as well. Looking at that more specific athletic sports. And when I say athletic, I don't mean you have to be an athlete.
I mean, being physically active and how that can, you know, the ramifications of that. So whether the person is going out for a walk or whether they are chasing an Olympic medal, that kind of a field. And so I was involved with that and with setting up the first professional body for that side of things.
And that was very much where my focus was. I was dealing with the active population. And then life changed for me in London when I had a bra fitting and I had it done purely by chance, purely because I had an hour to kill before I went to The Proms.
And with I was with my mother-in-law. I had read about this shop in London and that, you know, that I knew did bra fitting. And I was like, well, here I am, 45 years of age.
Sure, I may as well go and have my first one. And it was you know, it literally changed my view on everything. I walked out that door an inch taller.
Yeah. I don't know if I said this at the at the Scuba…
…I'm just I think I know the shop you mean. Yes. But also. Oh, no, no, there's several of them dotted across. And I can't remember which one we went to. But I was going to The Proms at the Royal Albert Hall. And honestly, if I'd walked in the door and they had said on the stage, we're short somebody to play piano. Can somebody come up? I'd have been like, I'm there. I was ready to take on the world.
Whatever you threw at me, I was going to be able to cope with it because I had this absolute psychological change.
Yeah. For me, like at the time, I was training reasonably well because of playing for Ireland because I played rugby for Ireland. And I would have been at that kind of stage still where I was still training quite hard.
I wasn't playing at the time. But I didn't have physical and issues in terms of either thinking my breast weight was I never knew anything about breast weight, so I didn't know it could have affected my performance at all. And I didn't have physical kind of neck pain or back pain, which I now know people have as a result of unsupported breast weight.
Physically, it wasn't as much of an impact for me because I wasn't in a space. I was aware of it. But psychologically, you absolutely huge. Then I kind of went, this is mad if this is having this effect on me.
Yeah.
What can I do to bring this to my patients? And then after several years, I then set up my own physiotherapy service offering to patients the option for me to help them to be able to internally support their breast weight through their posture or alignment and externally through optimal bra fitting.
And I realised this is a longer answer to the question that you expected. But I ended up I'm from Cork. Remember the Blarney Stone? We just talk.
Oh, you're brilliant.
Sorry. But I realised very quickly that the vast majority of women are in the wrong bra, which is why the heading on my flyer and my banner behind, which might be back to front now, but the heading is, Are you wearing someone else's bra? Because the chances are that people are because they are generally not in the right fit.
And so far in all the work that I've done with the people that I've seen and the physios are therapists that I've trained who have also seen people we have yet to see anybody wearing the right bra. So everybody is. 100%.
Now, the research will tell you 70 to 80%. Bra fitters in shops that sell bras will tell you it's 90 to 95%. And we'll tell you it's 100% because those that we've seen now, obviously, if somebody goes into a shop to buy a bra, they're going in with a vested interest, presumably, but they may be more aware of the need. Yeah.
Early with us, people may be more aware of the need. But equally, what I want people to understand is that you don't have to have a need. To be more optimally supported, because it has the benefits, it has physical benefits and it has benefits that people don't know.
Yeah. Benefit from. And it's kind of like one of those things until you experience it.
Yeah. Don't underestimate the difference it can make.
With my yoga therapy element of my work, it involves a lot of neuroscience and you're talking about working with the pons part of the brain, like through the physiology of you said that it's taller, like you're sending signals of safety to the brain, which then cascade down to the whole system.
And it's like, yeah, imagine if everyone had that every day, walking into whatever situation and that feeling of safety to be ourselves and supported. And I love all the puns you use in your marketing.
I was going to ask about your ideal and actual daily self-care. You were talking a little bit about the posture. Do you do physio for yourself? Do you do any exercises yourself that help you? Yeah, well, I mean, for me, strength training is a really, really important part of everyone's life. Should be for everyone, but more so for women, because we have hormonal changes and men have hormonal changes, but the hormonal changes that occur for us over time. And I'm not talking about just at menopause, because again, there's a great increase in the narrative on menopause and it's fabulous that's happening. But there are hormonal changes with pregnancy. There are hormonal changes through the menstrual cycle. You know, we are constantly fluctuating in hormones.
And so one of the things that really helps us, benefits us over life is to be stronger, is to be in a situation where we can physically do things. And then that has psychological benefits. So I mean, I needed to move.
There was actually, it was my husband's dive kit. So they got lost coming back on a flight and he was away and they delivered it in a taxi the next day. And I just picked it up out of the back of the car and took it in.
Because I'm used to carrying twenty five kilograms, that wasn't an issue. It was a lady taxi driver, it was a female taxi driver. She came to the door and she said to me, Is there somebody here that will be able to help us with the case? And I was like, You know, I'll be fine, you know.
And she was jaw to the floor at the fact that could just carry it in.
And for me, that's something that we all should be able to do. I'm not saying we should be able to lift 80kg, but we should do functional things, because that also gave me a really strong sense of, Well done me!
Yeah, to do it. You know, I wanted to help her to do it because she clearly needed help to get it into the taxi in the first place and then had decided, as she was driving down, going to need a man to carry it. And, you know, so that for me was a real kind of and it happens all the time when I get courier delivery.
So I get it for you. And I'll be like, No, that's fine. I've got it. And it's a good feeling to be able to do it from that perspective. So for me, strength training is really a non-negotiable. And I think also it ties into what I'm doing as well with the postural side, because and that comes back to what you were talking about.
I don't know if you ever read, there was a study that was done quite a few years ago, and then there was a lot of controversy about it, which I mentioned. So it was about what's called the Power Pose.
So basically, you're going into a bathroom before an interview, standing in the mirror, looking at yourself, bringing yourself up into this position. And that gives you all that neural input that you just mentioned. Increased testosterone, lower cortisol after just two minutes and the results last for hours.
Yeah. So where it was controversial was that they did saliva testing, looking at the hormonal responses. And what has been acknowledged by the author since then is that that saliva testing was not accurate or not potentially reliable.
And she got she got absolutely slammed by people saying that's not the case, that it doesn't happen like that. It isn't accurate. But the point of what she was doing, let's take away the saliva testing.
The point of what she was doing was I would challenge anybody to go into this what she called the Power Pose and not feel confident. And we have research showing that posture and mood are inherently correct. Absolutely.
If somebody sits in a slouch position, they find it easier to recall negative memories and they find it harder to recall positive thoughts, whereas if they're in a more upright position, the positive thoughts are easier and the negative thoughts are harder. So we know that what they called in that study, the Power Pose is a positive situation. And aside from the psychological side of it, there's a social side of it as well, which is, you know, a lot of the women that I speak to don't want to go out because they don't want people looking at their breasts.
They don't want to be active because they don't want their breasts moving and therefore they don't want to be cat called if they're running down the road. They will avoid exercise because and very often in high school, in teenage kids can be very cruel. And this is not that I'm not pointing the finger at boys here because girls equally unkind to each other.
But a lot of girls will drop out of sports in teenage years because of breast movement. And this is now something that we know. Again, we have research showing this.
But until we acknowledge that that's a thing, then there's nothing being done to try and change that. But the other social side of it is things not related to activity at all, not going to the party because you don't want somebody to be looking at you, not going because you don't have clothes that you think hide your breasts, wearing a scarf that hangs down, that literally hangs down because people think that detracts from their breasts when in fact, actually, what it does is it draws attention and being better supported actually is their visibility in a way, you know. So this is what's also been really interesting is that where we have had larger breasted women who've come in.
And one of the things that I would say to them that one of our goals is to bring your breasts more front and centre because when breast tissue is poorly supported, it sits underneath your arms. And if it's your arms, then your clothes hang down in a block. Yeah.
Our breasts are supposed to sit on the front of our body. So when we bring them to the front, a lot of large women be like, no, no, I don't want that. It's going to be too obvious.
But actually, when they're in front and narrower, they're less obvious. Yeah. Out at the side.
And then clothing wise. People find their waist. They stand in front of our mirrors.
And if I had a Euro for every time somebody says the word, Wow, wow, wow, there's my waist. I have not seen that for so many years. So I'm going to come back to the point that I actually want to make because I am doing my all distraction a bit.
But that social side of it. One of the things that is really interesting is crime prevention officers have interviewed muggers. Yeah.
Muggers have said they will go for somebody who is walking like this, looking like the world is on their shoulders. I mean, even the language we use reflects it. They will go for somebody who looks vulnerable.
And the vulnerable person is the person who is down and slouched and smaller. And they will go for that person. And the person who is walking like this in this tall position is saying, just try it, buddy.
Yes, I had because I'm going to be so much hassle for you. And so they don't. They have literally said they will ignore somebody who looks confident, who is walking tall.
Again, there's the language. Somebody who's walking tall, looking confident, looking like they own the world that person, they will ignore and they will go and find the vulnerable person. So from the point of view of, I mean, it's a terrible conversation to be having, but decreasing your chances of being mugged.
Yeah. Up here. And that's not even talking about all the psychological.
Absolutely. Yeah, that that's wonderful. And I was thinking also like when I heard you talking at the dive show and I was thinking like with ADHD, with sensory issues, with bras feeling so uncomfortable and like you said about wanting to get out your bra by 4pm if you're wearing a badly fitted bra and I'm thinking, 4pm? Try 9am! I hate them and I need them. And then it was like going and getting a couple of bras where I don't feel like that and the impact, but also like thinking with trauma histories and knowing how I used to feel and what you're saying that like standing tall, like we know it boosts our mood. We know it improves our confidence.
It helps us feel more embodied, more safe and to like face the world without fear to take up space, especially as women when we're conditioned to be less. And yeah, I just love that you're doing this work. I absolutely love it.
But I'm thinking I'm getting distracted now. I'm getting sorry. I have this effect.
To reinforce what you said there about the wanting to take your bra off at 4 o'clock. So one of the things that we know and I've done, you know, I started this off doing the research to make sure that what I was going to be offering to my patients was going to be evidence based, because as you know, as physio is a very evidence based profession and medically. And so it should be.
But equally. Just because the research isn't there does doesn't mean it hasn't been done yet. You know, so there's that side of things.
And to be honest, what's happened is that I've connected to disparate fields in that I've connected posture and physiotherapy with lingerie industry. We know from the lingerie industry that millions of women are in there are in poorly fitting bras. And we know from the physio side that there are psychological issues that people have that are related to posture.
But also there are physical issues that people have and women have in terms of back pain. We know more women have back pain than men. And you read the research and the research would give you all sorts of different reasons for it.
Nobody in the research has mentioned the two elephants in the room. Which is astonishing, isn't it?
You had your talk. You had like you're like, come feel my boobs at the front of the room with your with a latex.
With a silicone.
Yeah. And just the way they were quite small, but very heavy. And it's like, oh, wow.
Yeah, it's. And they were actually I don't think I said this to you guys. They were actually smaller.
Yeah. Lighter than what is now being considered to be the average. And I worry about the word average because I worry about how they how they get that.
But the I'm going to say the. It is likely to be reasonably accurate, and they felt pretty heavy, didn't they? Yeah. Yeah.
But that's what we literally carry around all day, but we don't necessarily appreciate that. So those two breasts that you felt, those silicone breasts were one point four kilograms. And that would be somebody who would be in a 34DD. Yeah.
If you sister size that up to a thirty six, you're going up to a thirty sixty thirty eight. That would be a thirty eight B. So if you then add a cup size, add several cup sizes to that double G. Yeah. Then the actual weight thing exponentially there.
So women will carry three and a half kilograms around on their chest all day and not be aware of that. And yes, if somebody said, here's three and a half kilograms, walk around with that all day, you'd be like, give me something to hold it with.
It's a small cat, isn't it?
It's a Jack Russell, wasn't it a Jack Russell? Not a small cat, a fairly big cat.
But yeah, it is far more weight than we realise, but because it's integrated into our body, you know, if you put your hands underneath your breast and just kind of hold it there, you're not going to feel like that's three and a half kilograms. But actually, if they were extracted, the amount of breast volume and breast weight in there would be equivalent to a significant weight. So that's why we need to support it.
And we need the support to be not just external, which is what the bra does, but also internal, which is what we do with our bodies. We have an opportunity to make the bra fit more sustainable and accurate. Actually, if I sit like this and I put a bra on me, it's going to look quite different to if I sit like this.
Yeah, because I'm filling the cup now and here, I'm not filling the cup anymore. So the way it looks on me is going to be different based on what I physically do. So not only is that power pose or whatever you want to call it, power posture, not only is that massively important from a physical perspective, because we're stacked, therefore we are in less provocative situations like having our neck be kind of forward here, which can then affect here and cause tightness here.
We do lots of things to compensate in our bodies that we don't realise we're doing. And very often those compensations cause issues. Let's take, let's say aside from the physical issues, aside from the psychological, aside from the social, which would be the three big things that we would all be focusing on now as health care professionals, it changes the fit.
Yeah. So your fit on your bra is going to be different. And if you are allowing gravity to grab you, you have now decided gravity grabbing is my next latest, latest phrase.
And I like to get people into a little. We haven't actually established one yet, but I have a club, an imaginary club called Gals Against Gravity. So the idea you are you are a gal against gravity by being here as opposed to letting gravity here.
Yeah. If you're doing that, then you are making the bra more sustainable. It's going to last longer because you're not you're helping.
Yeah. To withstand gravity. Whereas in this position, gravity is still pulling and it's still stretching the bra in this position.
The bra fabric is under less load. Not only are we being kind to ourselves, we're also being kind to the environment because there are fewer bras out there in the ocean. Yes.
Someday I expect to be diving and to see a bra flying by me. I expect to see that happening.
Well, you've massively inspired me in terms of the diving. I've been a snorkel member of the Sub Aqua Club for like, I'm coming into my second summer and really looking forward to we're going over the they're going down to the wreck in Killala at the weekend. OK. And I'll be snorkelling over. But my intention was to heal my shoulder and to become a dive member in the coming year and to learn all of that.
And just this morning I was thinking, I was doing my yoga and it's like, it's healed so much and I'm doing so well. But when I tried lifting a friend's empty cylinder and BCD, I was just like, I don't know if I'm ever going to be able to do this, let alone with the wetsuit, let alone with all the gear. I just don't think.
And now you're talking about strength training and it's like, Yeah, I can totally learn to do this. I can totally get stronger! Just talking to you.
It's like. It's brilliant. You can. You can. And, you know, I mean, don't underestimate lifting an empty cylinder, because that's 12 kilograms. So again, people are kind of like, people don't appreciate how much the sport of diving where you're involving cylinders, it is a strength training activity to be able to carry that stuff. Now, obviously, when you're in the water, it's weightless.
That's a different situation. But you have to get into the water, you have to get it to the boat, you have to get it to the slip, you have to get it there somehow, you know, and so it is it is a very important part of being a being a good diver is to be able to do that, because also, if you're strong enough to be able to carry those loads, then you're working your back muscles.
And if you're working your back muscles, then your trim is going to be better, as opposed to being in this position, when you're in this position, because your boobs are buoyant, your body is constantly going, I need to do that.
And then you're dropping down again. And then your body is saying, or at least your brain, because now you're looking at the deep end. Now your brain is going, but I need to get my head up.
So to get my head up, I'm going to move my whole body. And that doesn't need to be the case, because then there's loads of people getting, you know, obviously, I know this is dive specific, but it's working harder. Yeah, and it's the working harder, you're talking about diving, but ultimately, it's in every area of our lives, the working harder without that automatic support.
And I hope that people listening and watching will get proper fitting and like kind of talk to your trained physios. But before we go on to that, I want to ask, I know we're going to do a little bit of a deeper dive for the Sole to Soul Circle members, but I'd love to know what advice do you wish you could give younger you? And it might have been before that bra fitting where you learnt, so where you immediately felt an inch taller. But when you think about everything you've learnt, what do you wish you could send back in way of love, compassion, wisdom, information?
I think the biggest, the biggest thing for me that I've become aware of as I've become older, I'm not sure if I'm wiser, but certainly older, is having the confidence to advocate for yourself and for others.
I'm primary carer for my mother, who is 94 and wonderful. But I have been in situations with her in medical situations where if I didn't have the knowledge that I had, I would have had the confidence to question or to not necessarily challenge, but sometimes challenge in order to make sure that situations for her were going to have the best, the most positive outcome. And I think that's given me and that's something I do for all my patients.
Like literally before you, before we came on here, I'm seeing a consultant today and I had hoped to go to the appointment with her, but unfortunately I couldn't. And I was just messaging her saying, don't forget to ask this. This is important that you find this out.
You need information. Sometimes, patients don't know enough themselves to ask the question and then they come out afterwards and they're like, Oh, I wish I had asked this or I wish I'd asked that. So I will always suggest to somebody if you're ever in a, I know this is again gone off the point a little bit, but if you're ever in a medical consultation situation before you go, sit on your own with no distractions and ask yourself, what do I want to know when I'm leaving? Yeah, because you don't want to be thinking of those questions after you leave.
So that's part of advocating for yourself, because in order to be able to advocate for yourself, you need some information about yourself. Yeah. And so take a step back from that.
How much do we know about our bodies? How much do we know about how we move? So today is the first of the month and there's a fabulous breast cancer campaign to have people feel their breasts, feel it on the first. And that's great. OK, and I'm fully supportive of that.
But I'm saying feel it every day, feel it every day when you fit yourself with your bra, when you do what we advise you to do, you will feel your breasts as you're doing that. People talk, a lot of pelvic health physios, you know, will ask women, have they ever looked at their vulva? Do they know what their vulva looks like? Do they know what normal is for them? Yeah.
So what's normal for your sleep pattern? What's normal for your bladder habits? What's normal for your bowel habits? And a lot of people go through life, I don't want to say ignorant, blissfully ignorant of those things until there's a problem. And then when there's a problem, it's like, oh, well, I don't know. I don't know how often I go to the bathroom and have a bowel movement.
And if we were aware of these things. So for me, it's about learning more about our bodies from the get go. And then I'm going to I'm going to pose a question.
Whose responsibility is that? Is that schools? Is that parents? Is that clubs? And it's and it's kind of all of the above. Absolutely. The more we do, the better.
Yeah, absolutely. It's our responsibility as women, as individuals. Say this for men as well, that men should be aware of men's health and men's health issues in terms of particular to the male gender or the female gender.
I mean, their health. So everybody should be able to advocate for themselves because everybody should know they're normal. And I have a physio colleague who is amazing, who talks about doing me-search.
Mm hmm. Self. And I think that's a brilliant phrase.
I love that phrase. So do your own research. Yeah.
Your habits, you know, your body's responses to things. Yeah. You are fully informed.
And you can also identify things. To come back to my full circle. You can prevent things from happening if you become aware of something.
You might feel, you know, something that doesn't feel right. You get you get it checked out. I, it sounds like I'm in taxis all the time, but I had to take a taxi this morning and I had a male taxi driver and he asked me what I do.
And then he said, what field do you specialise in? And I told him and he said, I had a bit of a swelling on my breast and my wife made me go to the doctor. And he wouldn't have done that if she hadn't been a nurse. As it turns out, it was fine. But that's really important that absolutely anything that is different should be checked better to check it and have it be cleared than to ignore it and have it become something that, you know, people will in at a later stage regret that they didn't look at. So we have to know our own bodies. That was a very long answer to that.
That was that's been so gorgeous. And you're going to stay with me for the Sole to Soul Circle. And I'm going to ask you about your strength training if you are happy to share that.
And I just want to say for now, thank you so, so much for joining me. You're very welcome. It's a pleasure.
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